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The Switch | Why Moms Need High-Ticket Network Marketing
There are over a hundred ways that you can be successful in this business and in this industry, right?
But from somebody who has done low-ticket coaching, crypto, all the things, this is the best business I've ever found.
Not just from a financial point of view, but from the community and the systems that we have.
And our mentor, she is constantly putting us in spaces and rooms and allowing people into our world that we would have to pay thousands of dollars to to get access to.
And like I said to you, proximity is key.
You want to be around people who have and the life that you want, right?
That's how you're going to grow.
Your environment is the one key aspect of your life that will either make you or break you.
We are moms, we are bosses, and we're living abroad.
And in this brand new season of this exciting podcast, we are boosting the woman to woman connection through deep, intimate conversations to pause, reflect and go beyond the skein deep.
And we are here to celebrate your unique journey.
No matter how old your business or your babies or where you are in the world, you are not alone.
It's time to go deeper, understand better and lean into more harmony and fun along the way.
We are Desiree and Iva, and this is Mom Bosses Abroad.
Hi, and welcome to a new episode of the Mom Bosses Abroad podcast.
I'm Iva Perez, and I'm here with my podcast co-host Desiree Gonzalez.
And in this episode, we're cracking open the truth about why playing small in network marketing isn't the badge of honor we've made it out to be.
We're talking about what really happens when a mom ditches the low ticket grind and steps into high-ticket confidence, claiming the income and impact she was always meant for.
Our guest today is no stranger to the hustle, but what she's discovered on the other side of the switch, from low ticket to high ticket, is nothing short of game changing.
So if you've been loyal to a business model that's giving you crumbs or not what you were expecting, while demanding your everything, please lean in.
This conversation might just unlock a new level for you.
So let's welcome Jess Seagren to the podcast.
Hi Jess and welcome.
Hello, thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited for this discussion.
Oh, so are we.
So I'd love to introduce you a bit more.
We had the pleasure of meeting in person last year at a retreat we both attended, which was absolutely amazing.
We had great conversations and I knew we've got to have this because we come from such a similar background and a way that we need to join first forces and put this message out there.
But first of all, so Jess is really someone who brings both fire and wisdom to the world of network marketing.
She's a mom to one, a wife and a multi six-figure entrepreneur living on the beautiful Sunshine Coast in Australia.
With over 12 years of experience in the low-ticket network marketing industry, she has built a reputation as a true expert and what I love a no BS sales coach.
But it was just really one year ago now that she'd made the bold leap into this high-ticket space and everything changed from income to impact to the way she now supports her team.
Jess has really experienced a full spectrum of what this industry has to offer.
And so, yes, like Iva also already introduced, we can't wait to dive with you, Jess, into the highs, the lows and why this space can be so incredibly transformational when you align with the right business model.
So, Jess, take us a little bit through your journey.
Yeah.
So, I was just sharing before that, I actually joined at 80 when I was 17.
So, I had a pretty horrific car accident that I survived at 16.
And I literally on my birthday signed the papers, so doing the defense force.
I just realized that life is too short not to live it.
And I wanted to get out and travel and experience the world.
And that was my way of doing that at such a young age.
And it was such a journey.
I was so uncomfortable every single day.
I mean, I remember stepping foot in a gym for the first time just before going on my training and just having no idea what I was jumping into.
But what I realized, even though I had this immense proud feeling of being in the defense force, and I was earning good income for my age, and I was getting to travel the world, it wasn't until one of my best friends got married and I got crash-sailed and I wasn't able to go that I realized that I didn't have true freedom.
And I really started to, I guess, be open to what that could be.
And no joke, sometimes things just align when you ask for them.
And I got a flyer in my mailbox asking for five key people for a wellness coach position.
And I remember going into a meeting for this position, thinking it was a job and it was network marketing, and it was for a wellness company.
And all I remember is the feeling I had in that room.
And I hadn't been around people who were super positive about what they did.
They obviously did personal development and were just really in tune with their direction, their vision, and their mindset.
And it just made me realize that a lot of people in the defense force were actually not happy and not actually enjoying their job like I was currently at that time.
And I just got obsessed with the mind and personal development and going to seminars and reading all the books.
And I just started this journey.
And no joke, I am somebody who goes all in.
I don't waste time.
And I put my resignation into the Navy like that week.
And so I had 12 months until I could actually leave because that's just like the contract with the Defense Force.
So it's like a 12 month notice.
Yeah.
Like basically like if you want to get out, you need to let us know and then in 12 months you get to.
So I just dived in.
Like I just like was a sponge and like soaked everything in.
And in two weeks, I remember making around four and a half grand.
And I had like this cash and I was like, oh my god, this is incredible.
What is this?
And was helping people with their health.
And I had some weight I wanted to lose and that was happening for me.
And I just literally just fell into this business model that I had no idea about, but was like, why is nobody else doing this industry?
Like, this is incredible, like, you know?
And I just fell in love with, you know, the growth side of the company.
And then I went through, you know, the trials and tribulations of running a business, especially when my income stopped.
And I realized, like, I had been so busy in that industry that I had never really had the space to know who I was or what I wanted to do.
And I started to ask myself bigger questions.
And I had seen my mentor, you know, have success in about six years to hit the top rank.
And I was like, I'm going to do it in three years.
And I did that.
I did it in three years, a half the time.
Incredible.
Yeah.
So I had a team of over a thousand people underneath me purely from face-to-face network marketing.
We didn't have social media at that time.
So I used to do newspaper ads.
I used to do flyers every morning.
I remember I have photos, so many photos of me in a jumper in Cairns.
I think even through cyclone season, just every single day I got up and did those thousands of flyers, talked to 10 people every day, I really, really hustled to really make that business successful.
And back then, I didn't know there was another way.
I didn't know what was coming with technology.
And I actually am so grateful for my experience in that because it taught me resilience.
It taught me about hard work.
It taught me to appreciate things because of what I had to do to get even just a lead and to have someone come meet me and have a conversation.
One of my fondest memories is I had a house and I decided I couldn't afford at that time a rental space to have a wellness center like my mentor had.
So I actually decked it out and I had like little tables and a TV and I put up all my before and after pictures.
I used to do flyers every week and run an event there and like have strangers come to my house, sit down, do a presentation, and then hopefully make a sale.
Wow.
It goes back.
I feel quite old sharing this, but this is how I built my business.
Then social media happened and things really change and I realized that industry wasn't open to change.
It wasn't open to doing things differently.
And I was like, I can literally get on social media and connect to someone in five minutes versus doing all of this work offline with flyers and events and running all these things.
And yeah, it just made sense to start to dive into social media, understanding that whole era, which was another journey for myself.
And I started to connect with a lot of people in network marketing or in business or trying to utilize social media at that time.
And I realized that I had a lot of skill sets from my time in network marketing for that six years prior.
And I started to coach people in different industries.
And that's kind of how my business and entrepreneurship really developed.
And then I also got into things like trading and investing and really started to create some massive financial gains in my life.
And a few of the key things that I would say is that it's okay to outgrow where you're at and who I am today to who I was a year ago, let alone when I started my journey 12 years ago, you're not going to be the same person.
Your frequency is going to change as you start to attract, especially abundance into your life.
And to hold that abundance, it's going to also take you to do certain things on yourself as well.
So for me, I was like so committed to my company.
Like I was like bleeding green.
I used to say like, this is a thing, but I realized that my whole identity, my whole like external reality of having such success in that business, I used to fly around Australia and talk about it.
And, you know, I had this kind of ego pop up about myself that I didn't actually like, but also a gift when these things happen, because we get to grow and have the awareness.
But I also realized that when I actually lost that business, that I relied so heavily on external validation, on recognition, on the success, on the money, on the way people looked at me, like the feeling I got on stage.
And I really went through this healing journey of like, this is all within, you know, this is something that I need to like, you know, there was a lot of work for me to do from my childhood.
And I really just allowed myself to heal.
And I realized that I was successful.
I was love, I was joy, I was all that stuff within myself.
And that was such a gift, because then everything external became this like bonus.
It was almost like a rainbow on a rainy day, you know?
It was like such a beautiful thing.
And I was really able to appreciate so much.
And then when I became a mother, it was like, you've got big things to do.
It was like the universe directing me, like, you need to do more, like, this is not just what you're meant to do.
And I actually fell into another company and hit the top of that in five months.
And yeah, I went to Mexico on like the holiday and, you know, did all the things.
But there was just something missing for me.
Like, I knew the industry was powerful.
I knew that, you know, I'd had success in it.
But there was a gap for me.
There was just, I can't really explain it.
I just felt like there was, there must be a better way, right?
And as we know, and if you're in network marketing or you've been part of network marketing, we sometimes say we have like PTSD because of the hustle and the grind that we had to do, just to like make a bit of money.
But you do really get sucked into the community.
And, you know, it's really, I do understand that when you have, you know, put years into a company and, you know, your vision is really aligned to that company, you have big goals.
It really does take a bold, courageous person to say, you know what, like, I'm happy to lead this because I know there's something better on the other side.
And I think because of my journey and, you know, what I've been through, I was okay with pivoting.
I was okay.
You know, I was coaching people in Enagic for three years.
And I knew, you know, Jay-Z was one of the coaches that came into our container in 2021.
And I had just been watching her journey sort of on the side.
And, you know, there were some big changes that happened literally the month that I joined in March last year.
And I know that if those things didn't happen the way that they happened, I wouldn't be here.
And it was like chaos around me, you know, relation breakdowns, business partnerships ending, total change in direction, my community deleting me, like just so many things that were out of my control.
But I just had this like trust.
And I remember her adding me into our Facebook group and going through the vision, mastermind that they had done.
And I just cried.
I just cried.
I was just in this community and I felt so seen, so supported, so held from that one hour mastermind that I was on.
And I was just like, I don't even know what this is.
I don't even know what's happening, but I have to be in this room.
You know, I have paid and worked hard to be in proximity with people because that's how I've grown so fast, so quantum timelines in my journey.
And I just had to be in the room.
I just wanted to be in that community so bad.
So yeah, that's part of my journey.
And obviously, you know, coming into High Ticket was just, it all happened all at once for me, but I also have 12 years behind me, or 11 years at the time of experience of a lot of time, a lot of hours of, you know, learning the skill sets for sales and marketing and becoming the person that I am today.
You know, we all start at zero, but we also have experience.
We also learn so much from our jobs, our careers as mothers.
Like it all adds up, it all compounds.
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Yeah, it's exactly that.
And I feel like, you know, no time is wasted as well.
A lot of people say, oh, you know, I've wasted a lot of time.
No, you didn't, because you are exactly where you need to be, because now you have reaped the skills, the knowledge, the wisdom, the people also around you.
You've created your own network that you need, right?
To actually then excel.
I always say what I did before, because I was in my company, like running it as a business for five years.
And I was like, that was my apprenticeship.
That was my training for now.
Like everything that I've learned, I get to do, but better and more sophisticated, yeah.
And Jess, there's so much to unpack from your journey.
I mean, it's really such an illustration of what this entrepreneurship journey is all about.
It's not a straight, direct line from A to B, but there's like swirls and circles and peaks and valleys and then it seems like it goes back in reverse and then you move ahead a little bit and so forth until you're finally on a next level and a new iteration of yourself that is ready for the next big step, right, along the way.
But I wanted just to stop a little bit and go back to what you shared at the beginning, because when you started out with the previous companies that you worked with, there was a lot of enthusiasm in how you viewed the industry.
And this is so important because network marketing or direct sales, they can all get mixed up altogether and get a bad rap.
So if somebody has been burned before, somebody that's listening and saying, well, maybe not me, but then maybe someone that I know, someone that I know who knows someone that actually went through that, what is it that they should look for in a new opportunity?
And what is also your perspective on the whole network marketing industry as a whole that you could share from your experience now being where you are today?
Yeah, sure.
I love that question.
Look, I think definitely network marketing has changed.
We've seen massive shifts in the industry, I'd say that at least the last two years, I think especially after COVID.
And I think that changed a lot of people as well.
I think it also made us realize how much we rely on face-to-face connection and a lot of people really started to see their businesses, especially traditional businesses as like, how can we do this online?
How can we make our business more systemized?
How can we, if something happens to the world like this again, still get a paycheck, not let it be the thing that stops us working and freaking out, and the world's all changing, right?
So when I started network marketing, it was like, I remember I was in the Navy.
I had like a accomplished career.
I'd been in that for six years.
I had people saying to me like, this is a pyramid scheme.
What are you doing?
You're like losing a government safe job.
There was a lot of things like that around me, a lot of hesitation, but I felt what I felt.
And like I said, I'm here to truly live life.
I'm not here to waste time.
I don't want to be in a career if I'm not happy.
I'm okay to take risks.
I'm okay to try new things even if it's edgy.
And I think that even for myself, like losing my first business and having certain things happen that would make someone not be in that industry anymore, I think everything challenges and what people say.
You've also got to think about like, they're coming from love, right?
Like they've just heard something or experienced something and they're like afraid because they don't want it to happen to you.
But there's no guarantees in life, no guarantees in network marketing, there's no guarantees in your job, there's no guarantees of anything.
So I think like I only ever take advice from people who have the life or the relationship or the health or the finances or whatever it is I'm asking for advice on that have what I actually want.
And to be honest, my circle at that time, there wasn't anyone that I could relate to in any of those areas.
And the people I had met in network marketing had the success, had the money, had the impact, had like real connection and joy in their career, which wasn't something I had seen before.
It was just like you get a job, you pay your bills and you enjoy the weekends.
Or you get a holiday once a year or you retire at 65.
And to be honest, I don't know if it's just from like a near-death experience or what, but I've always questioned everything.
I was brought up in a religion and my mom left when I was 11 and my whole family abandoned us and we basically had to start life again.
And it made me question a lot of things because a lot of things that I was taught as a kid wasn't actually the truth, wasn't actually what the world was like to myself.
So anytime someone said something to me, I'd always be like, but why?
Or like really intrigued, really curious.
You know, I think being curious is a really great gift in this world because it can lead you to beautiful things.
I think when you're looking for an opportunity, again, it's a feeling, you know, I just felt the community feeling.
I knew that, you know, to act for myself was where I wanted to be and was my next level of feminine and like, feminine embodiment business versus that hustle and masculine that I was so used to working in.
I think the other thing is looking at like the systems and the support that you have, because when I did run my business with a thousand people, I didn't have systems.
I didn't have social media.
I did it all myself.
I literally like, taught my people what I did, and I helped three of them do it, what I did in three years, in six to eight months.
So I was able to teach and I realized that in network marketing, that part of the business is what I was really passionate about.
And you know, when you're looking for an opportunity and the difference between like low ticket and high ticket is obviously how much commission are you actually making per sale, right?
And you know, I remember hitting my first, it was about $11,000 I made for the month.
And I was like, I have no idea how I'm going to do that again.
Because I had literally been working like 45, 50 plus hours.
I didn't have a kid at that time, but I just, I was doing it all.
I was doing, you know, shake parties.
I was doing fit clubs.
I was doing personal development sessions.
I was like working with my leaders.
I literally invested all my money back in the business every month to get more products.
Like I just felt like, how, how is this going to be like the next five, 10 years, you know?
And I remember asking myself that question when that business ended was like, can I do this for the next 10 years and be happy?
And do I want to do that?
And the answer was no.
The answer was no because it was burning me out.
And I could not see a way that I could find that spark again because I had, and it just felt like, oh, I want to help more people.
But I also energetically had no space to help anybody.
That was like, like I didn't even have space for myself at that time.
Like, you know, it was, it was not.
So, yeah, looking at the commission you get, looking at the community.
And one of the biggest things for me in coming into High Ticket was the fact that there was no timeline, that every single sale counted.
And not just for myself, but I think about people I bring into the space that don't have, any experience and, you know, some people take a little bit of time to learn the skill set or to, you know, that haven't come into social media before.
And it's like amazing because once you do those five sales, like there's your return of investment.
If you want to do that in your first month, if that takes you six months or a year, right?
You're now in pure profit, which means that every single cent you make is now yours, right?
The fact that we don't de-rank and we don't have to stop, there was a horrible situation in my last business where someone lost their baby and she nearly lost her entire business because she had to take that time off to grieve.
And I just remember thinking like, how is this going to support us through life?
Because life is unpredictable.
Life has seasons.
And if you have, we're not made, especially as women on our cycles, to be hustling every 30 days.
And it was like, I just felt like even when I had a really good month, like, when that first came along and it was back at zero, I was like, how, like that feeling?
It makes them a tummy, you know?
I was just going to say, I'm like, could you see me like nodding and nodding and nodding along?
It's like, bringing me back to these moments because it's really a lot of moms that are entering that kind of space, right?
Especially when they know, oh, I'm going to be a mom.
I don't really want to go back to work.
What can I do from home?
Because I still want to do something.
I want to earn money.
I want to make an impact in health.
That's all well and good.
And that's why this industry is amazing because it gives you flexibility and I'm putting air quotes on it.
Flexibility and what we all thought was freedom and being able to work from home while being there for our kids.
But what I've now come to realize now that I'm out of that space, that low ticket network marketing space is like, I was really, I planted myself in a cage of another kind.
Because yes, I was able to be at home, I was living abroad, I'm a trailing spouse, you know, I was able to do my own thing, yet that hustle was not healthy at the end of the day.
I can, I remember me sitting there at the end of the month, literally telling my husband, sorry, go have dinner, I need to like, it's the end of the month, I need to like, you know, call and message people and this and that and get my numbers together, especially when you're just at a rank up, right?
And it's like, or telling my kid, be like, I can't, I'm busy and push, literally putting, pushing my kid away because time's ticking, I've got till midnight to make this nothing but healthy.
And then, okay, I made it and like you said, that tick, that clock ticks midnight, it's the first of the month and boom, you're back to zero.
Do you know what that does to your confidence, to your self-esteem or to your like that energy of like, man, give me time to celebrate, give me time to like, you know, enjoy this moment, but no, it doesn't because you start right back from zero every single month.
And especially, I mean, I feel for your friend or you know, that had to go through this, but in motherhood, we are going through so many seasons right off, like with our children, the developmental seasons or even our own seasons of life where we need to sometimes take a step back.
We need to go a little bit slower, but that industry actually doesn't allow you.
And so it gives you very shiny, like cuffs almost where you're like, it's nice, it's great, I'm making like passive income, but it's really tied to this like commitment that doesn't allow you to stop, that doesn't allow you to just float and flow and be in yourself, right?
Like it's like the cycles, it's the same thing.
And that's what I didn't see.
I was quite blinded.
And that's why this transition for me to high ticket now was beautiful, but very hard because it was a lot of swallowing of the ego, a lot of like, but I've built this for five years and have my brand.
Everyone knows me as doing that.
And I, you know, like, but then I, it was the process of like admitting to myself, well, that I'm not where I want to be.
That obviously did not work.
So I have to surrender to this new way.
It's still the industry, but it's not, it's a different business model.
And that I think is the key, right?
It's what we experienced of just stepping through these arches and into a different world, so to say.
So yeah, I'm really just so excited to share these thoughts with you.
Well, certainly it is a business model that feels, you know, different in that it's more sustainable and also more empowering for whatever you happen to be in life, you know, as a mother.
But even if you're not a mom and you're always having to start from zero, as Des shared, it makes it feel like, okay, will I be able to do it this time around?
And what if something predictable happens?
So to that point, Jess, we wanted to ask you, what do you feel is the kind of women that are thriving in this particular business?
And why do you feel that is?
Because I know community is a big element for us women, right?
We want to feel seen and heard.
And if you can give us a little bit of your insights into who you feel really is so aligned to be in this space.
I think obviously people who have been in low ticket, they see it.
They're like, wow, I don't have the month of month.
I don't de-rank.
You're basically going from selling a $500,000 house to a $5 million house.
It's the same time, energy and attention into your business, but you're getting paid 10x more.
And they're like, wow.
The other thing is obviously the direct sales aspect.
We're not getting paid the top to bottom.
We get paid for our work.
So the people in this industry, in this business that we have, instead of it being that way, like the other businesses that I've had, you're actually getting paid for the people you're bringing in directly.
So the people who are actually working and putting in that time and doing the ads or using the social media or having the conversations, they're actually getting paid their work.
Instead of being the person who's paying the other people's lifestyles.
Like, let's be honest, that's what a lot of the companies happen.
And, you know, I just remember that feeling of one, having to rely on other people for my paycheck.
And I'm like, I just never liked that.
I'm very independent.
I'm self-led.
Like, I just remember not even being able to kind of know what my income would be monthly.
Where when I saw the plan here, I was like, oh, sweet.
So this is what I make per sale.
This is where I'm at.
You know, it's a bonus what my team does.
You know, I'm in control of my business because of the structure we do.
And the type of people I think, because we don't have that timeline or that pressure, but we make such abundant income, are women who are really successful, who decide to have kids, who decide, hey, I actually like don't want to be commuting for two hours a day and be in corporate anymore, but I also don't want to lose my income.
What can I do?
You know, and I think so many people are seeing, so many people be successful online being like, how do they actually make these figures online?
Like, how is this actually possible?
And I even remember seeing people making like three times what I was.
And I was like, if they can, I can, I know my experience, I know what I've done in this industry, I've done my time.
And it was only me getting over my own BS and being like, no, like, I know there's a better way, there's a smarter way, and a way that I could see the next 10 years.
I could see my future, I could see that that was going to develop.
So I think it's going to be people who have come in from low ticket that understand the industry, or women who either want to have kids, or they have kids and they don't want to have to go back to the nine to five.
They want a way where they can contribute to their family.
You know, even for me, I have been self employed for a long time.
I saw this being the ticket to get my hubby home.
I saw this being the ticket to buy a house, which we're just about to do.
And I saw the ticket of this giving us more flexibility to travel because like we said, when you're in low ticket, you can't take two, three weeks off without your business suffering.
So it was almost like, oh, we'll just wait, you know, we'll just wait.
And I even remember not last year, but the year before being in the coaching industry that I was, I was, I like had four or five days off.
You know, like last Christmas was the longest that I had taken time off.
And I was like, wow, I have so much space.
You know, my daughter was in daycare four days a week.
She's now home three days a week.
You know, like I've just been able to have so much more time with her and more presence.
And like we said, we're talking about freedom.
But is it freedom if you're locked on your phone all the time?
Is it freedom if you're not even been able to like really contribute to your family besides maybe helping out with the groceries, which we're grateful for?
We get that, but it's also okay to know that you can make money that can do massive shifts in your life.
You know, what people are making here, what I made in my first month in this business was like my goal.
That was what my top, top, top leaders in my first business made.
And I couldn't even believe it.
I was like, and I only had nine sales.
And I was like, I had thousand under me, and I didn't make that, like not even close.
And I did it with such ease, and such fun, and such support, right?
And it's not the money you make, it's how you make it.
And I think when you realize that, and as you develop yourself and you grow, and you have kids or you wanna have kids, you start, you know, your values change.
The things that you once thought mattered don't.
And I think I'm even seeing this change now with men.
There's so many fathers are like, I want that time with them.
And they're like, well, what I'm making being FIFO or being in the mines or the defense force, I could be making that here plus more, plus building something that will go to our children if something happens.
And it's just, yeah.
So I think there is an abundance there, but I have noticed like a lot of people who've worked really hard, got university degrees or been in low ticket.
And they've gone, hang on.
This can actually give me that income or more, and that space and that time and that presence that they're craving for.
Yes, you say it goes beyond just an amount in the bank.
It's also the ability to make an impact.
It's also the ability to how you are raising your kids or how you are becoming a better version of yourself that is bringing more joy, more harmony, more connection with everyone she comes across with or he comes across with, right?
As you say, there's a lot of men that are ditching the toxic masculinity model of it has to look a certain way for me to feel like I'm worthy of something.
And they're beginning to embrace a little bit more the co-parenting joys and pleasures of being present and being there and not missing milestones along the way.
Oh, this is all so powerful.
I'm so entirely grateful we made this shift, right?
We are where we are.
Now to just close this conversation of what advice would you give to a mompreneur who is really curious about network marketing, but she's really unsure where to start or really scared to start again?
I think a lot of people are scared.
Like Iva and I remember, and we talk about this a lot in my team, it's like, were you scared before you started?
Every single person was scared.
I think there's always an uncomfortable edginess, like before you're about to up-level, before you're about to say yes to something, invest in something, do something new.
And I remember this, and it's probably one of my biggest gifts about being in the 80s.
I remember every single night, crying in my bed, so uncomfortable.
But every single day, I did something that I didn't believe I could ever do.
And every time I had stepped into that unknown and I actually achieved something, my belief started to grow.
And I feel like people don't understand that confidence is a skill set.
It comes from taking action.
It comes from you actually showing up and doing the things.
And what lies over the other side of the fear is what you're asking for.
And for me, I actually use fear as my compass now.
If I am terrified, if I am uncomfortable, I will say yes, because I know that there's growth there.
It's almost like my body is saying, hey, this is something new, this is something edgy, but that's where the growth lies.
It's through these times that we develop, that the biggest stuff happen.
It's like the iceberg picture where everyone thinks and sees these little things, and they have no idea what's gone down the bottom to get to that.
And one of the lovely things that I love about our business and our systems is it's so transparent.
We'll tell you exactly about our products, we'll tell you exactly how we make the money, we show you the numbers, we show you what's here for you to utilize.
We have a whole app that has a step-by-step system and method for building a personal brand online and you get to choose.
There are over 100 ways that you can be successful in this business and in this industry, right?
But from somebody who has done low ticket coaching, crypto, all the things, this is the best business I've ever found.
Not just from a financial point of view, but from the community and the systems that we have.
And our mentor, she is constantly putting us in spaces and rooms and allowing people into our world that we would have to pay thousands of dollars to get access to.
And like I said to you, proximity is key.
You want to be around people who have the life that you want, right?
That's how you're going to grow.
Your environment is the one key aspect of your life that will either make you or break you.
You know, my environment, this time last year, 80% of those people are not in my life anymore.
And that is why I had the results that I've had.
Because I was willing to get uncomfortable and I was willing to understand my own worth and realize that, hey, instead of making this, I could be making this.
And you know, my whole life has transformed.
Over six figures in six months, bought my dream car, we're about to buy a house, about to go travel.
You know, I've been able to let my partner be home more.
I'm way more present, have a much deeper relationship with my daughter because I'm on my phone all the time.
My health has got better because I don't have that pressure anymore.
I'm not in this like constant flight or fright energy.
And you know, I'm really allowing myself to build this business in such a different way and be supported in it.
And all I can say is just take a look.
As I said, be curious, ask questions.
The way that we have our system, you can have a clarity call with someone.
There's no obligation.
We want you to be in a bodied.
Yes, we want you to really feel excited, you know, and sometimes that can take a couple of months of you guys looking at the information and coming on these podcasts and just having a listen or like reach out.
Like I'm always happy to have a chat.
But yeah, nothing's going to change if nothing changes.
You've got to be the one that takes a step.
And all I say to people is like, you're praying for opportunity.
If you're praying for more abundance, if you're praying for more time and space, like this could be the prayer that you're waiting for.
Absolutely.
And as you say, you are the average of the five people that you're hanging out with most of the time.
And if those are the people that are also giving you advice, but they don't have the results that you're looking for, then it's probably a good idea to move into a space that can provide that, can provide the people that are leaving those results.
And you are great proof and solid evidence that these are the results that anybody can get once they set their mind to and that they make this leap from low ticket into high ticket.
So thank you so much, Jess, for chatting with us today.
We could continue going on into many more things, but I feel that you have really brought home the key takeaways and really brought into the conversation really what is on the other side of where someone might be, feeling that they are burned out or hustling constantly and what is a different, leveraged, empowered and more ease and effortless way to make triple, tenfold the amount that they are hustling towards.
So if you want to connect with Jess, you can find her on Instagram and her handle is at jess.seagren.
We're also going to be sharing her Facebook link and her website.
And all of that, you're going to be able to find it on our show notes.
So thank you so much, Jess, for being here with us today.
Thank you so much.
I've had a beautiful time with you ladies.
And yeah, like I said, like nothing changes if nothing changes.
Like follow that intuition.
Like if you're already feeling doubts about what you're doing, that's a good sign.
That there's something better waiting for you.
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Today’s guest is someone who brings both fire and wisdom to the world of network marketing. Jess Seagren is a mum to one, a wife, and a multi 6-figure entrepreneur living on the beautiful Sunshine Coast in Australia. With over 12 years of experience in the low-ticket network marketing industry, she has built a reputation as a true expert and a no-BS sales coach.
But it was just one year ago that she made the bold leap into the high-ticket space—and everything changed. From income to impact to the way she now supports her team, Jess has experienced the full spectrum of what this industry has to offer. Today, we’re diving into the highs, the lows, and why this space can be so transformational when you align with the right business model.
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