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Beyond Playtime | Creating Deep Connections When Feeling Lazy
On the days that you only have 40% and you give 40%, you gave 100%.
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We are Desiree and Iva, and this is Mom Bosses Abroad.
I am Iva Perez, and I am here with my beautiful podcast, co-host, Desiree Gonzalez.
Hi, Des, welcome.
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My favorite time of the week.
I know, I know.
It's always great to be here in the studio with you.
And today, the topic that we wanted to share with our listeners is that space where we sometimes find ourselves both as moms and as mompreneurs trying to balance showing love to our children, but also spending time with them through play time.
And sometimes it might look like we are wanting to love them and protect them and nourish them and do all these things, except maybe play with them, you know, when they come and they ask us to play with them certain things.
And we're like, why don't we do something else, right?
Do you feel that that has happened to you as well, that you find yourself in that space?
I know it's almost like you almost don't want to talk about it, right?
You almost don't want to say it out loud or admit it, but we are amongst moms.
So I think I feel the same sometimes.
I'm like, I feel the same.
And I think it's really got to do as well with like my mental load, just so much.
I feel like I got to do all the time.
So many things I get done.
So the thought of like sitting down with them and playing something like, hmm, yeah, I find it challenging sometimes too.
And I feel so bad saying it even.
I know, right?
I mean, it's one of those things that we all collectively have this image of what does great parenting, quote unquote, look like.
And it's always this image of parents having fun and playing and laughing and doing all these things with the kids.
But the reality is a little bit different.
And I just felt that this was a great topic to start unpacking and going into because there's so many layers to it.
And for me personally, I saw it in the sense that my kids are a little bit older and they do have their time where they want to play, you know, role play and do certain things with their toys and their stuffed animals.
But there's one aspect that it really was very, how can I say, not my favorite.
Let's put it that way.
It was this, always asking me to play tag with them.
And whenever we were outside, one of the things that I loved when they were little was to take them out in the stroller.
Like that was one of the parts that I missed the most because it gave me time to be outside, be my own thoughts.
But I was, I felt like actively I was taking them along and they were watching as well the scene from the stroller, from sitting in the stroller.
But now that's no longer the case because my children are older.
I cannot do that.
So when I go outside with them is to do something, is to do an activity because they are children, right?
And they want to do things.
And the favorite thing that they want to do is to play tag.
So I need to go and run after them, which is the last thing that I want to do because A, I'm not a runner.
I've never liked running as a sport.
So don't make me run.
I do sprints when I play tennis, but that's as far as it goes.
So running after them is such, it feels like such an inconvenience of my energy.
It's like, I don't want to waste my energy running after you, especially if there's no real need for that.
But they love it.
And so today I just wanted to share a couple of things that have helped me along the way to shift that around so that I get to enjoy it as much as they do by some mental shifts that I had to do and some things that I also want to share in the hopes that it allows other moms who are maybe feeling in that space.
Maybe there's one particular thing that their children love to do that they are just not on board with it.
And it makes us feel guilty as well, right?
Like, oh, why didn't I say no?
But when you're in the moment, you really don't want to do it.
I know, I know, and I'm glad when you suggested the topic, and I can't wait all the things that we have to share today, because honestly, it's helping me as well, this mindset shift.
And like you rightly said, I am overcome with a lot of guilt.
At the end of the day, you know, when they're asleep, and when they're in bed, and you're kind of reflecting on your day, and are like, oh, why didn't I just sit down and play?
There's never going to be this little anymore.
You know, it's like, I'm going to regret it one day that I didn't just sit down and play this role play with them, or took out all the stuffed animals with them.
And I'm like, oh, but you're right.
When you're in the moment, things are so different.
So it's super important.
And it's nice that we're going to unpack this today, because I think secretly, I think a lot of other moms feel this way too.
Yes, yes.
So one of the things that, first of all, I want to share as a quote, I also shared it on my stories recently, that it helps to bring my mindset into the right place.
Whenever I go into that area of I feel guilty because I didn't do X, Y, and Z, right, when they asked me, is that on the days that you only have 40% and you give 40%, you gave 100%.
So that's the first thing, right?
Let's recognize that there are days when it's just harder.
It just is.
And if in those days, you were only able to give 40%, and that's the only thing that you had, then you actually gave 100%.
So that is one thing that helps with the guilt, and it has helped me to view my day in a different light.
But the other thing that I feel that it is a very enlightening piece of information and data out there, and I don't want to, you know, the insight is simultaneously inspiring and depressing, but it is the reality, is that the time spent with parents and siblings peaks and declines after age 20.
So sometimes as parents, when we're planning our future years and we have our bucket list and we're like, oh, it will be great to take the kids here and to take the kids there and go here and there for the summers.
And we think that we actually have 18 summers with them, you know, before they actually go to college and they start to do their own things because they're young adults already and they have their own life.
In fact, 75% of the time that we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be spent by age 12.
So for me, one of the dawning of this information was that my son is eight.
So technically, I have only four more years left until he starts to really prefer his peers and his friends over us, over time spent with us.
But in summers, when he's still minor and he's still technically living at home, they do find summer jobs.
They start to learn how to drive.
They start to be able to travel on their own.
So by the time they're possibly 16, 17, 18, they do have the option to work and make their own money and do their own things.
So it's not 18 as such.
It could be a little bit less.
And that's just, as I said, it's a bit depressing.
It's a bit inspiring.
Right?
But it helps to put it in perspective.
Right.
It's bittersweet because then now, when we're focusing on having small children who want to play with us, we can see it as, okay, it's precious time.
It's precious time that I need to start to take a look at it differently.
So one of the things that you can do is that play time is the child's turf.
So let them lead.
Sometimes we think that playing with them, we have to do things, but we can actually transform, you know, this sense of, oh my God, I don't want to play into a little bit of lazy parenting.
And what does that look like?
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You can invite them for games where they are the doctors and you're the patient, and all you need to do is lie in bed, right?
And you get them busy getting things ready for the surgery.
Or with my children, sometimes I say, oh, you know, why don't we play hairdresser?
And you comb my hair, and they start to put all sorts of pins and things, like ponytails.
And I look like a crazy person.
But it's quite soothing and relaxing.
And all I need to do is just sit there and let them, and let them do it on me, right?
So it obviously depends on your child's age, but there are things where you can actually just watch them or just be beside them.
And that's what they consider playtime as well for them.
Totally.
Sometimes they just really want to spend time with you.
They want to be close to you, right?
So sometimes even when my son, like he wants to draw, he loves, he's in such a drawing stage, but he wants to sit next to me.
We've got a playroom next to the kitchen, so he just wants to be there, so he's close to me.
And then I also feel less guilty because we're together in one room, but going back to fun things of this lazy parenting, it's cute.
We did one as well where I was like a pizza, so I was lying on my tummy, and then they were decorating the pizza, and I was the pizza dough.
They put all these things on my back, or then they started jumping on me, which was less relaxing.
But also, since he's in such a drawing, so it's like to draw me, to draw me lying on the couch or something.
I get a five-minute lie down.
Exactly.
It's funny.
Or they play pony with you, right?
They get on top of you.
Exactly.
And you're like, I mean, up until a certain age, then they get really heavy.
But this is exactly what is great about this other technique that is all about together but apart time, as you said.
Sometimes you need to do something different than what they are doing, but technically they don't want you to play, but that's what they call it because they don't have enough language to really be specific enough.
But maybe they are just looking for that opportunity to connect or the closeness to be next to you.
So you can have together but apart time, which offers this opportunity, and especially with older children, it can be also engaging in quiet activities alongside them.
So sometimes on the weekends with my husband, when we both definitely need to finish something or my husband just ran all around the whole island of Singapore because of his training or whatever, and he wants to have a quick lie in, what we tell them is, look, in school you used to have quiet time, or when you go to the library and you're supposed to be silent.
So at home today for a little bit, we're going to have this quiet time as well.
And it has to be an activity where everybody can be just quiet and settled.
And that also helps them to dimension because at school they do have a little bit of that time as well.
So they can say, oh, if it happens in school, it makes sense that it could happen at home as well.
Yeah, I love that.
And you know what else I think is really great about this, both of these, the apart but together, but also this quiet time is that it teaches us as parents to slow down.
Often I am in such a go, go, go, go, go mode.
Again, mental load.
I've got to fold the laundry, got to cook dinner, got to do this, got to tidy up, got to send out this quick email.
There's so much on my mind.
However, I always complain.
I don't have time to sit down during the day.
I don't have time to rest.
But let's take this as a cue, as our children are leading us, there's like, mama, sit with me.
Like sometimes on the weekends, we do movie nights.
And then for me, it's kind of like cool.
That means I can just put on a movie, and I can do my other stuff.
But no, it should be the together time.
And they're like, mama, but I want you to sit with me.
And it's true.
So now it like it takes my guilt away, and I'm enjoying it because it gives me rest.
It gives me a few moments, right, to rest, but also to be with them and to spend that time that they're so craving just to be with us, to be close with us, and maybe cuddle up against us or something, right?
So yeah, it's our cue to slow down.
Absolutely.
And when you become a detective and you start to understand your child's love languages, it can also be something that you can use to your advantage.
And what I mean by that is that there's a book by Dr.
Gary Chapman called The Five Love Languages, and there's an online quiz that's free that you can also do on behalf of your child.
Or if they're a little bit older, you can ask them the questions and you get the results, and you get to have a better understanding of what is their preferred love language.
And so what happens is that sometimes they might want to play a particular thing.
Like for example, in my case, when they asked me to play tag, and I really don't want to, I don't have the energy, or I just don't want to go outside and be running in the heat.
I appeal to their love language, to their primary love language, and I offer an alternative.
And I know that most likely than not they will take it, because it's directly going into that sense of, oh, this is what makes me feel love connected to my mom.
It speaks to the fact that we are going to be doing something that really makes me feel appreciated and loved.
And so, that is also another tip that you can use to offer as an alternative.
And as I said, most likely they won't turn it down, because it appeals to their own built-in love language.
So you can go and check out the quiz.
We'll put the link on the show notes.
But it's very, very helpful to do that.
Yeah, and what you said about, sometimes we don't have the energy, we sometimes don't have the time.
This is another mindset shift that helps a lot to put things into perspective, especially on the days when we are crazy busy.
It's being hectic.
It's just like we're all over the place.
Things collide and everything is happening all together at once at the same time.
You can always use this rule of thumb, which is called the 3-3-3 rule for connection.
And the 3-3-3 rule is dedicating really three minutes of focused attention during three key moments of the day.
So this ensures that they feel this consistent connection to us.
And those three key moments of the day is when they wake up, try to dedicate three full minutes to them without parenting.
What I mean by that is sometimes we are like, finish your breakfast, put on your shoes, do this, do that.
And we're like barking all these things because we also need things to happen and we need to move them along.
But those three minutes of just stroking their hair, kissing them, I tell them positive affirmations.
I'm like, I love you.
You're going to have a great day today.
It's going to be a fantastic day.
That is just a space where I am not necessarily parenting.
I'm just trying to connect.
The second time of the day, the key time is after they come home from school.
If you have the opportunity to pick them up from school, those three moments to really not bombard them with like, did you eat your lunch?
Did you have this?
Did you do that?
Did you forget this?
It's more like, hey, I'm so glad to see you.
I miss you.
Did you miss me?
What were the things that made you laugh today?
What did someone say at school that was funny or interesting or things like that?
And the last moment is the three minutes before they go to bed.
So if you have a crazy day or maybe a crazy week, and all you have is nine minutes during those days, you can space them out because perception is reality.
So they are going to feel connected and loved throughout the day because you spent those three key moments and those three key minutes with them during that day.
Yeah, often we think that we feel guilty.
We put these thoughts in our head that something is not enough, right?
But actually, we asked them, we'll be so surprised of what they remember of the day, what moments, and it can also melt your day away.
So we have this thing as well where at the end of the day, again, the connection time, right?
It can be during dinner.
Sometimes it's just before bedtime.
It depends, you know, like what the good time is on that particular day.
But I always ask them, what was your highlight of the day?
And then they come up with these things.
You're like, oh, okay.
Like for you, it was a simple little thing, and you don't even give yourself credit for that, because you don't even account for anything for it.
And that is what they remembered.
Like a little moment, like, Mama, it's when we stopped at this bakery, and you got me my favorite snack.
Or when we, you know, like something, when we played, when you chased me up the stairs today.
And I was like, what?
All right.
And, and then sometimes it's really cute.
And then he'll say, my six-year-old, he'll say, he's like, Mama, it didn't happen yet.
But I know my highlight is when we're gonna cuddle in bed later and you're gonna read me a story.
So it's like, oh, you know, but, but let's sometimes check in with them.
What is, what are the things that are important to them and what they remember, because you'll be surprised.
And, and another thing that helps with a little bit of that guilt.
I love that.
Yes.
Go, go straight to the horse's mouth, right?
As you say, ask them directly, because they are the ones that know, and they are the ones that will tell you.
And also another great thing to ease that guilt that we sometimes carry from, from not wanting to play with them as often or consistently as they want is the following.
First of all, look, children have an insatiable thirst for play and to be active and to do all the things.
So what happens is that we as adults, we have been conditioned to put certain ceilings on ourselves, meaning like, well, if they, you know, in our adult mind, this is how it looks like.
Well, if I took them to Disney, let's say, right?
If I took them to Disney or to this amazing park, amusement park, and they had all their sweet treats, and we did all the fun things, and I bought them all these souvenirs and things, and we rode the pony, and, and, and, and, should be enough.
It should be enough either.
There should be a point where they need to acknowledge and address and be thankful and be like, oh my God, Mom, you did so much for me.
But the reality is that it's so, it's such an insatiable capacity that they have for fun and games and play that for them, it will never be enough.
So you are coming at it from two different perspectives.
For them, it's like, okay, what's next?
And you're like, are you kidding me?
Like, I had to queue up three hours to take a picture with your favorite character, and then we did this, and then we did that, and then I walked all around.
Isn't it enough for you?
Isn't it enough for you?
And for them, the answer is no.
So here's your permission slip to also allow yourself to have some days where you have to let them get bored and let them say, look, honey, I can't play.
And maybe their answer is, but I'm bored.
And you say, okay, then it's good that you're bored.
But I'm trying something to get you entertained on your own because that also allows them for discovering their own passions and discovering what really lights them up.
And if we take that away from them, what we're creating is a whole generation of future adults who don't know what they want in life because someone else was always solving that question for them.
Exactly.
First of all, I think as well, play is the work of the child, right?
It's a very famous quote by Maria Montessori.
Now we are in a Montessori school, so it is really instilled in us as well as the parents of this independent play.
And like you said, we've also done episodes on boredom and all of that.
It's definitely something really good.
And I think what helps as well is to sometimes guide them.
Like you said, they need to be bored.
They need to find something to do.
But also like another trick or hack is just to have little buckets of activities that they don't necessarily see all the time.
Like I rotate activities in our bedroom, and there's craft sections, but I don't have everything out all the time.
And then I'll put something out, especially in those moments where I'm like, oh, I don't feel like it, or I don't have time to sit down and play with you.
And I'm like, hey, look at this.
And they're like, oh, wow, something they haven't seen in a long time or something.
Oh, wow, cool.
Because in like an hour school in the Montessori environment, they do that as well.
They have their little trays and buckets of activities that they focus on.
Right?
So I used to have everything so readily available, and it was such a mess, and the playroom was like overflowing.
But now I put them away, and so they forget.
It's like little Christmases throughout the year, you know, when you pull out things that are all of a sudden very new to them again.
But like you said, they'll find something to do, but this is just a little tool to guide them as well towards that discovery and their creativity and unpacking that.
Of course, of course.
And that is a great tip because it's true.
When we see something that is novel again, after we haven't seen it for a long time, and for kids, a long time can be a week, you know?
I haven't seen this toy for a week.
And so when they were discovering it, it definitely has that sense of Christmas all over again or like my birthday all over again because I hadn't realized I had this toy.
So it has that sense of novelty, and that is a great tip and hack to have, like those buckets of things that are slightly hidden, but they are within reach when you need them, especially when you want to be doing a little bit of quote-unquote lazy parenting, right?
It's like, okay, here, this is a hack.
So I guess at the end of the day, when we are parenting, and we have felt that we have done so many things for our children, that a little bit behind the scenes for them, meaning you went out and you got the gift for the birthday that they're invited to.
You went and you made sure that you have everything ready for their school trip.
You bought the stuff for the lunch box, and you're doing all these things behind the scenes so that their life looks very seamless, right?
And then they come, and then they're like, no, I just want to play, I just want you to look at me, I just want you to be here, I just want, I just want, I just want.
Sometimes, their own outbursts and their own whining, like, oh, I'm bored, or you're not playing with me.
And the sense that you want to just turn around and tell them, like, wait, what?
Like, how many gifts do you get for your birthday?
How many gifts have you gotten from the relatives?
Like, don't tell me that you don't have anything to play with, because I can't buy 10 million things, right?
And sometimes what it comes down to is that it's not the whining and the tantrums and the pleas for like common play, but it's rather within us that inadequacy or powerlessness, or sometimes the disrespect altogether that triggers us and sets us off.
And then that's where the guilt comes in.
So there's someone that I once heard, his name is Jesse Itler, and he said that taking three hours a day cumulative for ourselves is a wonderful thing that revitalizes us for when we have to be with our children in the space of being present, in the space of they just want to play, they don't want to be corrected, they don't want to be parented, they don't want to be, they just want someone to have an open space for them.
However, I know that most of us, because we're busy mompreneurs, we take those three cumulative hours at night and we do revenge scrolling, or we do all-nighters, right?
Or you know who you are and you know what you do, so I don't have to list it all.
But what I want to say is that self-care sometimes feels like listening to the sound of the rain.
It's like, oh yeah, self-care, self-care, self-care.
But when it comes to understanding sometimes why we don't want to play with our kids, why we're not in the mood, it's not that we don't want to play with them.
It's rather the sense of we're not in the mood, right?
So when we find ourselves in that space that we're not in the mood, most likely is because we haven't prioritized self-care for us.
And there's a part of us that is resenting.
It's like, what about me?
Like, I know what you want, but what about me?
What do I want?
And then that part steps in and makes it like you want to drag your feet.
It's like, oh, I have to push the elevator button and go and run after you in the heat.
It's like so inconvenient, not what I want to do.
I mean, start to tell yourself all these things.
So for me, the turnaround was when I began to play with this myself, pun intended, when I began to play with this for me, and now I make sure, and I know, sometimes we don't have three hours during the day, and there's one hour that I leave for the night when they are asleep, and that's fine.
This is not a hard and fast time.
It's just let me play around with, I have found myself starting to take baths in the middle of the day.
Oh, really?
Cool.
Yeah, and it sounds really luxurious and very decadent.
It's like she has nothing to do.
And at the beginning, I had to fight that inner dialogue, like, oh my god, Iva, you have so many things to do.
Why are you here in the bathtub?
But I took it as the time for my meditation, my daily meditation.
I took it as a time for allowing great, brilliant, original ideas to come from my subconscious mind.
And then guess what?
When the kids are bursting through the door, fighting with each other because someone wants to come in first through the front door.
You wouldn't believe.
Sometimes my kids get in the craziest fights over the craziest things.
The latest is like who gets to come in through the front door first, and it's like a guerrilla tactic negotiation that ensues after that.
When I have done a little bit for myself during the day, I'm like, okay, I see what's going on, but I'm no longer as triggered, and I'm no longer as, you know, in this mood where it's like, oh my God, more of that.
Like I was happy to see you guys, but now I'm not so sure, you know, a type of entering.
Exactly.
Oh my God.
I so hear and I so want to just like emphasize that as well because it's exactly the same for me, and I'm sure it is exactly the same for other moms.
So it started with me again, so much guilt, right, at the beginning.
And I remember it was several years ago where, before my eldest started even going to like a daycare or like a kindergarten when I think he was two or something, and I didn't want to put him in.
In Germany, it's not common to put kids into a daycare, especially if the mom is not really working, right?
But then I was like, but I'm a mom-friender, I'm also working, but I'm also supposed to be home with my kid because this is the sort of the expat lifestyle.
I was just getting my head around that being an expat, being abroad, getting my business started.
Am I really working?
Am I not?
Am I a stay-at-home mom?
Am I a working mom?
This whole transition isn't my responsibility to take care of my child, to be there.
But when you are with your child 24 hours a day, and it is 24 hours because they need you at night too, at that age, you're right, we don't have that space.
We become triggered.
We become anxious.
We don't want to play.
And so I remember I was walking along, remember it like yesterday, the conversation I had with a friend, and she's like, put him in a daycare.
When you have those few hours on your own, you can be a better mom afterwards.
I was like, huh?
What?
Now I understand it.
But when I heard that the first time a couple of years ago, I was like, what?
And a light bulb went out, a light bulb, right?
It's like, wow, it went on in my head.
And I'm like, you are right.
I am actually doing everybody a favor.
He will have stimulation, other kids, somewhere to play, something else, because maybe he'll get bored at home with me too sometimes.
And I have those few hours to myself in whichever way I choose to spend it.
And when I come home, when he comes home, it's true.
I do have a more conscious time.
So the reason I'm saying that is I'm going through exactly the same thing again, where my current two-year-old is starting to go to daycare and a little bit more frequently and frequently and frequently.
And I am thinking, Oh, shall I already put her in like four times a week?
I really should I?
Isn't it too much?
And so I go through that whole guilt again.
But you're right, Eva, because afterwards, you are going to be a better mom.
You are because you've had that.
My new thing is to get up.
I'm not a morning person, but I do get up much earlier.
I get ready and I have my time for meditation for our calling in abundance, like through this challenge we're doing as a community right now.
Just to do these things, I have this little course I'm doing, which has nothing to do with business, but just a course that I'm doing now, but just to find that time to do that, everything in the morning before everyone gets up.
So already my morning, that military routine in the morning, it feels less stressful because I've had my moment already in a way.
And then during the day, I get my work things done.
I have maybe some self-care, lunch with a friend, or I signed up to a Pilates class, so I have to go once a week, and I do go and I enjoy it.
But when those kids, like you said, when they run in that door, or when you pick them up from school, and then you have that dedicated time with them, and you feel like you can fully focus on them, and yes, engage in time and play with them, or whatever they feel like doing, or things seem just less stressful because you've had that me time already.
And I think it is one of the keys.
You're so right.
It is one of the keys in this whole equation here.
It is, and I think that ultimately it comes down to being able to have the capacity for both the short term and the long term at the same time.
And what I mean by that is that the more that we can be in that place of seeing things for what they are, and understanding how they impact the bigger picture, so many things seem so much easeful, and they seem like they have a different meaning altogether.
And so the energy from which you're coming from is also going to be more intentional, and it's going to be more present, and your children are going to feel it.
What I mean by that is that for me, one of the things that hit home really hard was in my line of work, I help children and I help mothers.
And sometimes I see them struggling, trying to connect with their teenagers.
And I see it as an external person to the situation.
And so whenever I find that space where I can come to my kids feeling refreshed and a little bit revitalized, because I took that time for myself, and I tell them, hey guys, they want to go and play tag, and I'm the one initiating the activity.
And I see their faces light up, and they're like, oh my god, yes, and they're rushing to put their shoes on their feet.
I'm like, I have to treasure this, because in a few years, it's going to be like, no, mom, I don't want to play tag.
What are you talking about?
That's so like, you know, that's for little kids.
And they're going to prefer to have that friend that calls them up, and it's like, hey, let's go to the movies.
And then they're rushing to put their, their, their shoes on and scrambling and hitting out the door, which is the way it should be.
So I'm getting a bit teary-eyed.
I know it's like, it's, it is our time with them is limited when they're this little, when they're at this age, it really is.
And we need to cherish every moment.
We need to embrace it.
And there are times when we don't want to sit down and play, but it's exactly those moments that your future self will also thank you for it, that you've taken that moment to sit down and play.
Yeah, so dear, dear mama, if you're listening, playtime isn't, you know, isn't just about, oh, my child wants to play and he just wants to have fun.
Or it isn't about you having to want to have fun in order to play with them.
But rather see it as a tool that you can use to strengthen the bond that you have with them.
But also to really look back when they are older and appreciate that you truly really enjoyed that stage and phase of their lives.
Because things are going to change.
That is the nature of growing up and that is the nature of life itself.
So when you can look back and say, oh my God, I did my mom life well, and I really really treasured and enjoyed them at that age doing the age appropriate things, you are going to be able to look into the future with a lot more optimism and a lot more empowerment and fulfillment for yourself.
As the saying goes, if you want to go fast, go alone.
If you want to go far, go together.
Thank you dear mama for listening and taking us along for the ride.
See you in the next episode.
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